10 years ago when you asked me what a face lift is, the immediate image that comes to mind is syringes and saggy skins. Today, that word gets thrown around so much in the automotive world, soon you’ll see a “new” model being introduced every month in Malaysia. Facelifts are inexpensive …. ofttimes some cosmetic changes such as slapping a new set of bumpers, grilles, skirts and you’ll get that 30 year old looking like a 13 year old again. And the latest vehicle to be facelifted is the popular Peugeot 308 hatchback.
Introduced in Jan 2009, the 308 has radically changed the perception of Malaysians towards the brand. For one, Nasim Sdn Bhd, the franchise owner of Peugeot managed to price the 308s cheaper than Australia, a country known for offering low price (but not low spec) vehicles and more importantly, lower than Japanese offerings which has swayed a number of buyers away from the usual Japanese suspects. This has allowed many to sample the power of a conti and a turbo vehicle; as it did in my case. Sufficiently poisoned to the point where a non-conti and a non-turbo simply won’t cut it.
Despite having a good head start, all is not always well with this Lion. The earlier AL4 4 speed gearbox prince engine which kicks out 140hp and a good 240Nm thrust was marred by unintentional jerks, especially at low speeds and worse, depollution errors where the engine goes into limp mode by deactivating the turbo and relying solely on the 1.6NA engine to push the car. Then came engine knocking and visits to the service centre was a regular affair.
Fortunately at the end of 2011, Peugeot introduced a upgraded version where it gets an additional 2 speed on the gears and power output increased to 156hp. Torque remains the same. What was apparent with the upgraded model is that the issues plaguing the 4 speeders were significantly reduced and we don’t see as many 308s being stuck at the SCs. Peugeot has learned from all the complaints and offers the same engine/gearbox combo for the facelift.
So what’s different with the makeover? Ok, we have to admit that the styling, especially the front may not appeal to everyone. One thing is certain, the design is not as aggressive as before. To me, the sharp front lines are now blunted …. making this Lion look tame, domesticated. Some might say the 308 has matured well into a well groomed feline …. personally, I like my Lion to be a bit on the wild side. Well, each to his own. Here’s a picture of a side by side comparison between the fronts of a pre-FL and FL. Which would you prefer?
Both variants gets the following:-
– redesigned front headlights and front bumper
– LED DRLs. There are 6 of them and the light emitted are of the reflector type similarly found on the Proton Preve except instead of angling upwards, the LEDs are aimed sideways. The horizontal slit is just a light conducive rod that draws illumination from the LEDs below
– USB port now in armrest compartment
– chrome lining on the boot (above the Peugeot logo)
Individually, the VTi gains (sorry, no pictures as none was on display):-
– panoramic roof
– rear diffusers
– rear aircon vents
– 16″ Santiaguito 7 spoke rims
Whereas the THP gets:-
– GTi spoiler
– classy white dials makes a comeback
– 17″ Melbourne 8 spoke rims
– flat bottom aluminum ringed steering wheel with aluminium pedals (note the center console is now the glossy black finger-print magnet found in the 408T)
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All yours for the price of RM121,888 for the THP and no price announced yet for the VTi. As a matter of fact, I don’t think you’ll find a FL VTi anywhere since Nasim is just going to quietly introduce the FL without much fanfare (probably not to overshadow it’s 408 sales).
Are the additions worth the increase of RM3,000 for the pre-FL 6 speeder THP? You be the judge.
Performance
Since the FL and pre-FL shares the same drive train and engine, performance remains at a brisk 9.1seconds for the century sprint for the THP and 12.5seconds for the VTi. Having driven both the 4 speed and 6 speed THPs, the acceleration in the FL “should” be as linear as the pre-FL 6 speeders although it won’t glue your butt to the seats like the 4 speeder is won’t to do. Personally, I enjoy driving the 6 speeder more as I find it less stressful to constantly moderate my speed and power is always available on tap, especially since the turbo kicks in at a low 1,400 rpm. The THP will eat any C segment Jap cars it sees on the roads though at speeds in access of 170kph, it feels wobbly.
If insane speeds are not your cup of tea, then the VTi is your best mate. Running on 205/55/R16 shoes, it’s less bumpier compared to the THP and has better FC (I scored at least 50km more in city drives whereas outstation is quite similar to the THP is I maintain cruising within speed limits).
Ride and Handling
I can’t really say how it handles around corners since I’ve only sampled per-FLs. Pre-FL THPs are jittery at corners, especially on high speeds. I’ve attacked certain corners at speeds and I constantly get the feeling that the rear wheels wants to do some acrobatic air stunts (no such issues with the VW Golf though) and from comments made from those who tried to do some Initial D stunts on their way to Genting, they almost ended up in a ravine. If everything is the same, then the ride characteristics should be similar.
The VTi on the other hand has all the hallmarks of a continental made vehicle. Stable at high speeds, accurate steering (though steering feels lighter than the THP and therefore not as much road feedback as the THP) and the added tire side wall makes riding in one more comfortable, albeit under-powered.
Cabin Convenience
Both THP and VTi comes with a barrage of conveniences that makes driving one such a pleasure. For the full list, you can read in the specifications list below. Also interesting to note is the seat fabric design has been changed.
Note the difference in the fabric design (the top most is the THP whereas the one directly above rear seats are VTi). Personally I felt the fabric found on the THP is courser compared to the VTi which was found in the pre-facelift THPs.
Also different is the inner door handle which is now gloss plastic:
VTi handles are not glossy.
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Specifications
Peugeot 308 1.6 VTi
Exterior
Sporty Rear Diffuser
Panoramic Roof with electronically retractable blind
LED Daytime Running Lights
Halogen headlamps with auto function
Manual headlamp with leveling function
Headlamps delay security illumination (“Follow Me Home”)
Peugeot Smart Park Assist
Front and rear fog lights
Front windscreen (Laminated & Acoustic)
Auto front windscreen wipers
Electric folding mirrors
Side mirror turn light
Intermittent rear wash/wipe
Interior
Automatic dual zone air-conditioning (separate for driver & front passenger)
Cruise control with Speed limiter
Auto dimming rear view mirror
World in Peugeot Sound with 6 speakers and AM/FM/CD/MP3 playback capability
Audio control stalk at steering wheel
USB and Bluetooth Connectivity
Rear passenger air-conditioning vents
Adjustable front centre armrest with built in storage compartment
Rear center armrest with storage compartment and 2 cupholders recesses
Front map reading lights
Instrument panel lighting dimmer
Instrument panel LCD display (trip recorder, total distance recorder, cruise control, service indicator, warning & status display)
Height and reach adjustable steering
One touch electric window with anti-pinch feature on all windows
Combined active carbon/pollen filter
Light illuminated glove box
12V power outlet at front center console
60:40 split folding rear seats
Safety
Driver airbag
Front passenger airbag with deactivate switch
Driver and front passenger side airbags
Anti-whiplast front seats with active head restraint
Pre-tensioning and force limiting front seat belts
Force limiting rear seat belts
Rear doors child safety locks
2 ISOFIX location points (2 outer rear seats)
Auto illumination of rear hazard lights
ABS
EBD
EBA
Peugeot rolling code transponder immobilizer security
Peugeot 308THP
(In addition to the VTi specifications)
GTi rear spoiler
Leather wrapped sport steering with aluminium ring
Sporty white instrument dials
Two curtain airbags (total 6 airbags vs 4 in VTi)
ESP
DSC
Maintenance costing
Here’s how much it’s going to cost you for each service:
Yeah, that’s RM3,600 for 60,000km service. Apparently, yes considering the amount of things they’re going to change (take a close look at those items). Earlier 308THP 4 speeders didn’t have to pay as much as they were using the old Peugeot AL4 gearbox but with the AISIN 6 speed gearboxes, Peugeot is importing the gearbox oil from Toyota, Japan and re-exporting them to other countries. This round-the-world trip jacks up the price significantly and sadly, we’re not able to buy our own ATF and ask the SC to change them for us.
Here’s a tip: Decide on a service centre you would go regularly and have them break up the items that needs to be changed in the 60,000km service interval. While this does not change the total amount at the end of the day, it does help remove some of the pain of paying so much at one go. With the service interval being 6 months or 10,000km, got time to save some money.
All in all, at this price scale, the 308 remains to be one of the best value for money continental vehicle your money can buy.
The question you may need to ask yourself is should you fork out a little more for the 408T which has a modified Prince engine that’s supposedly more compliant with local fuels and higher power output, a boot and better rear legroom. If I don’t have any kids and don’t need to carry as much in the rear, the panoramic roof and sexy hot hatch silhouette presents a very interesting proposal.
Additional note: The VTi has been launched and here are some of the key features that were not found in the previous version or different from the THP:
Visually, they look identical except for the rims
Inside, the difference between the THP and the VTi is more apparent:
Same steering wheel as found in pre-FL THP
No glossy black center console
No aluminum pedals
Rear air conditioning vents – previously not available in VTis
Panoramic roof – previously not available in VTis
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If the price is right, I think the VTi has the most gains and benefits the buyer the most. Generally failsafe and now with the gorgeous panoramic roof… it really gives the best value (again, price dependent).
I fully concur
The USB port is already inside the compartment box for the 2010 6 speed THP
Sorry, but it’s rather presumptuous to say that this Lion will eat any C-segment car for breakfast. Try and pit it against a Civic FD2, Sylphy or Forte 2.0 6-sp and you might sing a different tune. How do I know? I’ve tested my Forte 2.0 against a pre-FL 6-speeder 308 THP and that skinny driver had nothing on me lol. And I weigh nearly 100kgs.
I’ve also gone against Civic FD2 and Sylphy, and they are about on par with my ride. Civic FD2 is still the fastest of the lot though. So unless you’re talking about a remapped Pudgy Lion, don’t expect it to even walk a Forte 2.0, Sylphy let alone edge the FD2.
FYI…
I am sure even a Ferarri is inferior to your Forte provided you pick the right driver
FYI
Lets do a Drag Race… for friendship sake and to prove your statement is correct…
yeah, i agree. i also curious. don’t try won’t know right? 😉
To be honest, all this depends on who has more balls after going past 200 km/h. Or sometimes, who has more brains. I can tell you that the FD2’s handling would give you little confidence after you break the 180km/h mark.
Best way to compare in our roads is who gets to 100km/h first.
By the way, such comparisons are subjective unless you bring those cars down to the track and get Stig to drive it against the clock.
You know …. You reminded me of a post in Autoworld where a Toyota Altis driver was telling everyone he smoked a VW Golf and proudly declaring Toyota’s Dual VVTi engine is the best:
http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=99041&hl=Golf+TSi
Amusing read
It should like my wife told me she smoke the Ferrari with her ex-SLK (Small Little Kancil)
Hahahaha
Cheh…my BMW is even better…Bas Mini Wilayah.
But those born after 1990s…might not remember this…
good one! LOL!
Bro, 308 geng gona do a kuala klawang ride this week.. y dont u join and prove your statement..not an invitation for a race, but we r keen to verify ur experience.
cheers 🙂
DSC more fun?
Btw this FL comes with 5 years warranty but without the 3years free maintenance as offered last time. Nasim may offer such promo again in time.
Hmm…the shiny glossy bits in the interior (such as the door handles) is not a good idea as my current ride (308 THP 4AT) will reflect the sun back into my eyes at certain time of the day.
Externally, it does look a bit more refined, but I’m unsure about the chrome lining at the boot. I think the old look is better as too much chrome lining adds too much clutter to the design and flowing lines.
And for the others who have superioty/inferioty complex, claiming “My car X can smoke car Y etc…”, it’s not very constructive. The 308 THP is just a normal hatchback, it is not sports car or high performance car. The turbo is just a small boost to improve the daily driving performance. For most people who are buying a car in this segment, we are looking for the right combination of price versus performance and equipment levels.
Drive in peace friends!
“Pug Lion”,
Is this your blog? LOLX.
http://grinnerscarsmalaysiablog.blogspot.com/2011/01/if-it-aint-turbo-anything-less-than-20l.html
Guys guys… It seems that I have ruffled some Pug feathers over here. Well, better live in denial than face the truth, right? I have a feeling that most of those who terasa are first time turbocharged car owners, am I right? Regardless of how the French principle is trying to hoodwink you guys by passing off a standard 0.6 bar light pressure VGT turbo and simply slapping on a racy-sounding THP (turbo high pressure) monicker, it’s not gonna smoke many C-segments out there, walk them maybe, but smoke is a different thing altogether. I was merely pointing out the author’s over-enthusiastic statement that this car will smoke any C-segment rides out there. He has probably never driven an FD2 before, otherwise he wouldn’t be making such claims. In terms of power to weight ratio, the Civic FD2 is hard to beat. And no, I don’t blog.
And to kensomuse, if you want to be a respected blogger, best stick to facts. How many C-segment rides did you smoke with that test Pug? Paul Tan would never say something frivolous like that. Seriously, just by saying that you’ve revealed your immaturity as a car reviewer. And you’re still trying to defend yourself? Geez. Yes, I used to be very active on AW forums in their glory days. Been a member since 2003. No, I’ve never owned an Altis and I would never make a silly statement like that. In fact, if we’re drawing parallels here, your statement seems more in line with that of the Altis driver. Perhaps you are the one?
Peace out.
Hi Pug Lion,
Thanks for dropping by again. Defend myself? I see no need … after all, to defend myself would imply there was an attack. Your opinion, in which you are entitled to, of course hardly constitutes as a worthy threat to mine and those others who’ve also sampled/owned the FD2 and other C segment vehicles and come to the same conclusion 🙂
Peace out.
Alan Wong: Are you the same Alan Wong who drives a 308 GTI? If you are, then you know for sure it won’t be a fair fight lol… Yeah I read the blog of an Alan Wong back during the days when I was researching my next ride.
Hi Kenso, do you know for sure if the FL 308VTI will be on sale? keen to get one, tks
Hi John,
I was told that the cars are already in Gurun but have not been released yet so I’m guessing very soon. I believe booking is already open now and you can visit any Peugeot showroom to place an order. Not sure about the pricing though.
Puglion,
I have not driven the 2.0 Forte, because non available for test drive, but I’ve tested the 1.6; I doubt the 1.6 Forte can go any faster than a Proton. But the handling of Forte in corners is very impressive comparing all other cars of same segment. On highway, the FD2 has the top speed to match, but no NA (unless 5 litre above) can match turbo during acceleration. Not in racing certainly not in real world condition.
Instead of comparing who’s keyboard is bigger, why not come over with your forte to klawang this sunday? We can do drag test, corner test or whatever test we can, out of goodwill.
Or if you are erm.. not free, u can always do a safe drag test on ur own.
A kancil guy can always comes in here with a much bigger keyboard.
Im doing 8.69sec 0-100kmph in stock 308T just for your comparison. Used Dynolicious as measurement tool.
i agree. out of goodwill, do come over. it’s the weekend, time to have some fun. cilipadi* 308T maybe smaller CC, but will wanna find out whether it’s ‘spicyness’ can match the Forte’s.
*ps: cilipadi bcs my lion is babylon red colour 😉
Where’s Klawang? GPS coordinates pls? What time will you guys be there?
If I am free I will try to make it. If not, you can text me anytime at Maxis-296887three and we can find some place to meet just for a fact-finding friendly drag. But only for un-reflashed stock ECU Pugs ya. I know quite a few Puggers have done DK tuning or other mods. I’m only interested to test the statement espoused by kensomuse that the 308T EATS ANY C-SEGMENT FOR BREAKFAST. In my book, a Golf GTI eats a Civic 2.0 for breakfast, a Pug 308 THP eats a Forte 1.6 for breakfast. The F30 328i eats the old E46 325i for breakfast. Walking a car doesn’t tantamount to eating that car for breakfast.
Yeah, I like facts. I’m not a keyboard warrior and I don’t make statements that I cannot verify, because I am a reviewer too (but not of cars) and you can take my published words to the bank. No breakfast served…
Excellent! Allow me the liberty of sharing the info you requested:
http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=103911
I like your style! But make you take up this friendly challenge for most us very eager to see who’s having who for breakfast, the French toast or the Korean ginseng!
Peace bro!
Hi Kenso,
Previously you were driving a 308THP but changed to the Golf TSI after a couple of years?
Was wondering as i love the golf but the 308THP seems the cheaper option, so just wanted to have more feedback on this car..
thanks!
Hmmm, what sort of feedback you want, bro?
Hi Kenso bro,
Sorry forgot to mention previously. Any specific reason y u sold off the 308THP and get the golf?
Thanks!
A few reasons:-
1) Mine was one of those 4 speeders that had recurring engine knocking. Heard 6 speeders hardly have this issue.
2) I needed a more uncle-ish car for work purposes, preferably a sedan with a huge boot
3) The Golf was selected simply because it was the only car that gave a similar conti feel as the 308 and of similar size.
I don’t recall seeing a Forte at Klawang over the weekend..what happened to Forte dude? “Not free”? Or was left behind till went unnoticed?
hmm…
Sorry I wasn’t free. Anyway I already left my number here. Do give me a buzz anytime to arrange a friendly drag. Let’s start with you maybe, Forte4eva?
My car is not in the list of car that you wanted to drag against (remapped 308) and I am not based in KL anyway. If you do come up to Penang, let me know 🙂
Pal, you are using the box or ecu remapped?
Firstly, lets get this straight…. Drag race would be nice but, lets do it safe and make friends. It does not matter who wins or who loses. Its just about, comparing which car has better pickup.End of the day, making friends is better than creating enemies.
OK, I am driving the 308 GT and it will be very and extremely unfair to drag with a Forte. No offense but, I do not see how a Forte can beat a GT. So, I won’t drag with you but I am sure there are lots of 308 turbos who will take up the challenge.
Alan, are you serious 308thp against forte?
Later can become satay, you know lol.
Maybe forte should try challenge a proton preve,
They should be close in terms of performance.
Anyway your idea of friendly drag is what we should practise on the road.
Hi Dominic, nice of you to chime in. Ok here are some facts if you care to digest: 308THP vs Forte 2.0 vs Civic FD2:
156hp+240Nm @ 1,382kg (308THP)
154hp+195Nm @ 1,326kg (Forte 2.0SX)
153hp+188Nm @ 1,315kg (Civic FD2)
Looking at the above, we see that the Lion has the highest output. But in a drag race, where engines are made to redline at every gearchange, max hp output at redline plays an important role too, as does kerb weight. However, one cannot deny the huge torque advantage of a blown engine over an NA, so the Lion will ultimately prevail. However, with such close figures the win will be decided by a walk rather than a barbecue. At least for the century sprint, it will be hard to see the emergence of a clear winner, and it is only beyond 140km/h where the Lion will most probably start to pull ahead due to the engine operating within that 240Nm torque range. Much like how a Golf TSI walks a Lion THP, a Lion can only walk other C-segments (except the Jetta TSI which is also classified as a C-segment). A smoked barbecue is more like what a Golf GTI will do to most C-segments including the Lion. And even the Golf GTI can only walk a 308GT… You wouldn’t go around saying a Golf GTI eats 308GTs for breakfast, would you?
Pug Lion, thanks for your menu, nothing much to digest here.
Maybe understanding the terms better.
A 308THP isn’t a sports car but it’s good enough to smoke cars like Forte.
It’s has stiffer suspension and better torque to begin with.
For street racing, a Forte will roll left and right MORE THAN a 308 beside getting smoked.
For century run, again Forte will be smoked. Actual 308T 0-100 is not 9.1s, it’s faster than that.
However, I would agree with you on your last statement who eats who for breakfast.
But if you are trying to tell me thats the same analogy for a 308T and a Forte,
well that ain’t gonna work!
quoted from comment earlier “So unless you’re talking about a remapped Pudgy Lion, don’t expect it to even walk a Forte 2.0, Sylphy let alone edge the FD2.
FYI…”
changing statement? from not even to walk those cars now can walk those cars but no eat for breakfast??
bravo bravo…
on a 2nd note: after i weighted the 308 on actual curb weight it showed 1388kg..not bad at all as it quite close to the fact figures of 1382kg..
hehe..
Clearly you have no idea how does a drag works…The drag machines that emphasis on high horse power, is because beneath the 1000 HP figure there is gazillion ton of torque.
From stand still you need more torque to move those mass weight. When the vehicle starts moving, only then horse power assist with higher rev for each gear. In normal vehicles, on 1st gear, barely use up half output from that 154hp (130hp the most after transmission lost). In comparison, forced engine will have max torque at its disposal.
65Nm of torque is quite useful for 308. Understood now? Maybe, you should drag with a Prius to learn this hard feeling facts.
Very true, one of the reason I bought the 308t was because of the torque.
Add a tuning box or remap and cold air intake, theoretically we can get close to 300 nm !
To add, to get a good reading for century run, it’s the launching that counts!
Big words
Huge figures
Too bad no actual turning up, or at least go test a drag urself.
We will not be there to laugh
Ok, I have left my number behind but there have been no takers for the friendly drag session yet. So why not like this, those who are keen kindly leave down your numbers here and I will get in touch with you.
Im sure not keen to turn up solo again.
Take a test drag urself. No need to post results here if the figures deemed unsatisfactory
NA: Clearly you don’t understand the relationship between hp and torque. There’s no such thing as torque pulls the car from standstill, and hp takes over at high revs. Anyone who talks like that doesn’t know that HP= (Torque x RPM) divided by 5252. Go figure that out and come back. Prius? I’ve left a CT200 behind, way behind. Isn’t a CT200 lighter than a Prius? I don’t know, but no way can a Prius keep up with my car or a Pug THP.
Superforte, I assure you, if you leave your number here, I will call you for a friendly drag test. What’s the point in me dragging on my own and reporting the figures here? Who’s gonna believe me? I don’t care if I lose to a Pug. I’m too old for ego trips anyway, merely on a fact finding mission. I am a friendly person, and if you do show up I will buy you drinks at a mamak, ok? My number is zero-12-296887three.
I showed up, u didnt. Full stop.
And it seems you left so many cars behind “knowingly” that they are trying to frag with you.
Like the other day a seemingly proud Saga pulled away from me at the traffic light. So powderful that Saga. Just like your car.
You dont need anyone to believe you if you are merely on a fact finding mission. To cut all the contradictions, on ego or whatever,
A simple test on ur own can let u know ur own numbers.
No need to be afraid of ur own numbers
Any idea what the average life cycle is for a Peugeot Car (particularly 308)?
I read in wikipedia that the car was launched in 2007, facelifted in 2011 (which should be this FL in Malaysia), and is highly likely to be replaced with a all new model in 2013… =)
Hard to tell. Though the 308 may be launched in 2007, it wasn’t until 2009 that the first units started selling in Malaysia. Then, the same again with the FL; it was introduced in 2011 but only now do we see its introduction within our shores. So even if there is indeed a new model being sold, we might see a delay ranging from months to a year or two before being launched in our country.
Thanks bro…my only concern is if I buy now, then a new model will be available in 2013 (global) and eventually in 2014 (Malaysia). Then, my car is only ~ 2 yrs old… Even lower resell value!!!
I understand, bro …. honestly if RV is your priority, then a Peugeot is not ideal for you.
Thanks. Any idea what the average life cycle of a Peugeot model is? I asked SA, they said normally it is ~ 10 yrs before a new model is introduced. Really? 10 yrs?
No idea, bro … crystal ball out of service 😛
But I suppose the SA must be quoting example from the 407 which is almost a decade old before being phased out and replaced with the 508. Who knows when they’re going to change the 308 …. IF we follow the example that in 2007, the 308 was launched, it took them 4 years to introduce a FL. Following the same formula, we might see another 4 years before a new model is launched. 4 years is a long time, mate.
I offer to service your crystal ball… =)
compare 308T 6 speed to golf tsi, how big is the power difference?
Although on paper, the difference of 308THP 156bhp vs Golf’s 160bhp and torque for both cars are the same at 240Nm, the Golf has better acceleration at 0-100kph; achieving it in 8 seconds vs 9.1 seconds on the 156THP. A 1 second difference is huge!
A comment above said using Dynolicious measure 0-100 ~ 8.7s, so in actual ride, did you feel the huge gap of power/acceralation ?
I also notice in all of the Naza quote, all of their 1.6T line of car(508, 408, 308) all got the similar 0-100 figure of ~ 9.2s, and this is strange because 408 508 are much more heavier than 308 ! So I believe 0-100 for 308T is definitely < 9.0s. My estimation only on paper 🙂
"I m doing 8.69sec 0-100kmph in stock 308T just for your comparison. Used Dynolicious as measurement tool."
Well, some times we have to stick to official numbers from the manufacturers to avoid some quarters questioning the testing methods. Personally, I think there is a difference in sprint times between a 4 speeder and 6 speeder 308THP but that’s just me.
Test drove 308T just now, feel that its power in S-mode is rather close to Jetta(after dsg software upgraded). I tested them in same route, so is fair comparison. Previously Jetta which is pre software update, 308T is no way near Jetta, but now … 🙁
i think VW quotes their power in PS which is somewhere around 2 units lower when compared to in hp. eg. if they quote 160ps, it can be related to about 158hp.
as to why the different models have similar times, maybe it could be the gearing? if the gearing is similar, the perhaps it could be the way it is mapped?
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May I have 308 turbo 6 speed service price list ? Is 60k need to chamge the timing chain, Disc pad and etc?